Led Black (00:20)
What up, what up, what up everyone. It's Led Black and Octavio Blanco for another Black and Blanco, another Uptown Voices on a Sunday. What's today's date? What's today's date, man? Today's what? I don't even know the date, man. What's today's date? 22nd, Sunday 22nd. So, know, March 22nd. Shout out to the whole world. Octavio, my brother, talk to me. How you doing, man?

Octavio Blanco (00:37)
Today is the 22nd, March 22nd.

I'm good, I'm good. There's so much to talk about today. know, last week we were talking about the oil crisis that were, and gasoline crisis, but today I think it's time for us to really dive into some of the local stuff that we got going on. Cause I was looking at the calendar and I saw that there's just tons and tons of stuff. I'm excited because it's springtime, right? Like it's about to be spring.

Or it is spring now. We just had the Equinox yesterday. I'm coming off of a 24 hour ⁓ fast, not a feast, a 24 hour fast. I did it, Led. 24 hours, me and my wife, we fasted for 24 hours and we're feeling good, feeling energized, feeling alive, feeling ready to welcome the spring because it's here. Today is the first day of spring. It's here. So.

Led Black (01:12)
Spring again?

Congrats. Congrats. Congrats. Congrats. Congrats.

He's here. So we're gonna, yeah. So we

gotta talk about a lot of stuff happening on town. We'll get to, in the second half of the show, we have to talk about what's happening in the world and we gotta do some, you know, talk about that. But yeah, you know, shout out to the world. Shout out to Uptown, Wash Heights, Enwood, Harlem, South Bronx, everyone.

And first of all, like you said, let's talk to one thing that I want to make sure everyone knows, because it's going to the last day for this is March 25th. So the West Harlem Development Corporation is giving out like has a lottery for a sports camp run by the Riverside Park Conservancy. So it is for people that are in district nine residents, but it's a free for your kids from ages four to 16 years old. Something for them to do in the summer. It's a multi-sport camp. So there's a bunch of different options. So make sure you hit up West Harlem.

Development Corporation and check that out.

Octavio Blanco (02:25)
And, you know, take it from me who was a, let's call them a troubled teen. It's so important to get your kids doing summer camps and things like that because, you know, idle minds lead to bad things. So definitely, if it's free and it's available, do it. You know, that's so important. Go on.

Led Black (02:46)
Yeah, and I agree, I agree 100%. know, growing up in Watson Heights, man, there was, luckily I got into sports, right? So it's like playing ball with my friends or playing going to G-Dubbs, you know, at night during the school year, you know, kept me out of lot of trouble. You know what mean? I wasn't a troubled kid, but I grew up in 192nd and Wadsworth, right? So the whole crack era was blooming around me, like, you know? So I think things like this really helped out. And I didn't have these kinds of camps, but just playing sports helped me out as a kid. So I think this is really important.

And then another thing, also right now Noma also has a Noma and the Hispanic Society also have a really big opportunity. So if you don't know the Hispanic Society is on 155th and Broadway. It's been there since like the early 1900s. It's just this beautiful building. And now they're doing like, you know, they're doing a lot of programs for the last few years. So for the last, I think this might be the third or fourth year.

If I'm not mistaken, they've done like, they pay for a public art installation on the, what they call the Audubon Plaza. And the honorarium is $10,000, right? And you're gonna have your piece of art there. So make sure you hit Noma NYC on IG for that information. I think that's super important. I love Noma. Right now I know that all the submissions are done for the Uptown Art Show Poster Contest. So that's gonna be announced soon.

So, you know, there's a lot of stuff happening in the arts of town and, you know, that's near and to my heart. So you want to make sure I share that.

Octavio Blanco (04:13)
And just so you know, it's up on the screen right now, the deadline for the Hispanic Museum and Library Call for Art is March 31st. I just put it back up on the screen right there. Call for Art at the Hispanic Museum and Library deadline is Tuesday, March 31st. So if you have something, if you have an idea that you want and you're an artist and you want to put it up on that beautiful outdoor space, know, gosh, what a great opportunity.

Led Black (04:39)
Bye.

Octavio Blanco (04:42)
The honorarium is no joke. It's 10 grand. ⁓ yeah, yeah, do it.

Led Black (04:45)
And I wanna say one more Noma thing before I forget, So

Uptown, you make sure you go to the 181st train station on 184th, either on Fort Wash or on Overlook. So on the elevators, there's another project that Noma's involved with and then they have local artists posters inside the elevators. Super cool. Shout out to Frank, my brother Frank.

The La Merced has one there. Danny Pagano, my other brother, has another piece there. There's a bunch of great artists there. So go check out Bing Shu. That's her IG. She's on there. So make sure you check it out. It's free, right? You don't even have to take the train if you don't want to. Just get on the elevators and ride and check out all three elevators because it has artwork from your neighbors. You know what mean? And get to know your fellow artists. Show them love. Buy their pieces, right? That's super important. If we don't support our art, no one will.

Octavio Blanco (05:30)
Yeah.

Yeah, Franks.

Frank's piece, he's a friend of the, he's a real good friend of the show, Uptown Sunflowers. It's in the historic 190th Street subway elevator. And by the way, ⁓ it's one, no, it's, it's 190th, but both, both elevators, both elevators have artwork from Uptown artists, but Frank's is on the 190th subway elevator. It is the deepest, it is the deepest elevator. I mean, the deepest subway station in the

Led Black (05:47)
When is it 190th? I thought it was a 180 180th ⁓

⁓ gotcha, my bad.

Octavio Blanco (06:07)
whole subway system. while you're hanging out in the elevator, you know, you'll have some time to check out Frank's beautiful, beautiful artwork and other artists are, I believe also exhibited there. But actually, you know, it is the deepest elevator. But that elevator right is is mad fast. Like it's not it doesn't take I believe Yeah, yeah, yeah, 190th is the deepest is the deepest in the whole system. ⁓

Led Black (06:26)
Is deeper than 168th? Is deeper than 168th? Wow.

I thought 191st

might be, not 190th, man. I think we're have to Google that.

Octavio Blanco (06:38)
Are you sure? I don't know. We have to Google that. We'll have to see what Google says. And then we'll

let you know. But anyway, besides that, yeah, Frank's is in 190th. But both of those subway stations have some awesome artwork from local artists. And you can view it, and then there'll be information there. You should be looking into these artists. And have it up on your walls. I know that my cousin, he has some artwork that he bought from local artists.

The watercolorist, I always forget how to say his name. I think it's, he's, I forget what it is, but he's a local watercolorist and he has awesome artwork. Anyway, go on, let, you have more to add, I've got a few things as well, but you can keep going with what's going on uptown for folks to, because I.

Led Black (07:31)
No, mean, I think that's

about it for now. Keep going and we'll figure more from some people.

Octavio Blanco (07:36)
Yeah,

I got some stuff here for everybody. This week coming up is an amazing opportunity for everybody to listen to some great art. I mean, listen to some great music. Annette Aguilar, who is gonna be our next Uptown Voices guest this Tuesday.

But this March 27th, Annette Aguilar is having a 20-piece orchestra ⁓ from 7 to 9 p.m. at the ACTS at the Eliza Building. That's a 20-piece orchestra.

Led Black (08:02)
Damn.

Octavio Blanco (08:11)
organized by Annette Aguilar and the Jazz Power Initiative. It's gonna be at the Eliza Building, part of my typo there, March 27th from seven to nine. And Annette is gonna be our next guest this Tuesday on ⁓ Uptown Voices. She is also gonna be part of another incredible show.

Led Black (08:27)
Tuesday.

Octavio Blanco (08:37)
that's today at the sorry that's not the one she is gonna be at the women of jazz wahey a concert that is today at the

at the St. Francis Cabrini Shrine. It's free at 5.30. It's gonna be a net and a group of eight other jazz musicians, female jazz musicians. So again, ⁓ something to definitely not miss out on. There's a bunch of other things going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Led Black (09:12)
Before we go further, hold on. You gotta

really emphasize who Annette is, right? Annette is our own Afro Latin jazz drummer extraordinaire. She has traveled the world, been on stages from Broadway to Europe and beyond. So I guess I wanna have to emphasize how amazing this woman is and how...

Octavio Blanco (09:19)
absolutely. Absolutely.

Led Black (09:37)
how she teaches in the South Bronx to kids, right? She loves music and that love is palpable. The interview is going to be great because you're going to see her as she's talking. She got some congas right there and she's playing them and she talks and she's talking about Africa and Cuba. And it was a great interview and Annetta is a beautiful soul. So, you know, make sure if you could check out live, you should, because she always brings it. She always has great musicians, you know, and that's a real uptown person that, you know, you should really know and show love to.

So shout out to Anay Aguilar. Tuesday, the anniversary drops.

Octavio Blanco (10:09)
What?

And one of the cool things about the episode is if you don't know Annette Aguilar, her mind goes at a hundred miles an hour. And if you want to see somebody, a real genius at work, and you want to see the two of us try to wrangle her mind and her, her, and her, she goes to and try to keep her, you know, on topic and see us struggle, you'll be, you'll get a good chance to see that because she's a true musical genius. And not only is she a great music

She's a historian in music and she just knows everything and everyone. So definitely don't miss out. Check out our next episode coming out on Tuesday morning with Annette Aguilar. So thank you for making sure that we hit on.

Led Black (10:58)
Yup. Yeah, yeah. We gotta put little emphasis on that. You know

what mean? Yeah.

Octavio Blanco (11:03)
Hit on that for sure because that's that's ⁓ important a little one that I wanted to I saw this on on Instagram the People's Theatre is hiring a production manager So if that sounds like it's something for you You should you should check out their website because they are currently hiring a production manager And you know People's Theatre again a good friend of our show. We did an interview with me know Laura check that out. It's up on our YouTube

Led Black (11:16)
Lots of people's theater.

Octavio Blanco (11:31)
Talking about her trajectory. One of the things that I always find so inspiring as we do our thing led and as I see other people trying to do their thing is just how long people fought to get their things going, right? So Mina Laura is not an overnight success. Mina Laura is a huge success, but she's no overnight success. She's been trying and trying and working and fighting to get her people's theater.

Led Black (11:46)
Mm-hmm.

Octavio Blanco (11:56)
Up and running. It's not the people's theater project anymore is the people's theater and and check it out She's they're gonna have this amazing space on 207th Street and her story is just incredible if you want to feel inspired if you've got a dream if you've got something that you're trying to do check that out because that's another story of just grit and determination

Led Black (12:15)
Yeah.

Yeah, shout out to Tamino

Laura, her husband Bob.

Like what they've been able to do through arts and theater and incorporate the entire community from the little ones to the seniors, right? For them to be seen. I think they had a play that kind of revolved around dominoes, like a domino game in the park. I forgot the name of the play. It was the last thing I saw from them. But it was just transformational theater, super community based. out to Mino. I love Mino. Mino's my sister, you know what I mean? Like, and what she's been able to accomplish. And we've been kind of in the grind around the same time, because Uptown Collective and PTP came around.

up at the same time. You know, I think she got me beat by like a year or so, but you know, it's good to see what I can't wait for the theater, right? That's going to be a community space. And I think it's going to be, it's going to be one of these, another thing that we need uptown, right? And what I love about uptown is we don't wait for other people to do it for us. We do it ourselves and Meno is one of those doers. So I'm, I'm shout out to Meno, shout out PTP. Those are my people.

Octavio Blanco (13:12)
Yeah, yeah and another another good friend of the podcast.

another person who we've had on. We just published a whole bunch of clips from our interview with Andrea Arroyo. She is currently ⁓ curating a show at the Noma Gallery. It's Women in the Heights Shade at the Noma Gallery in the United Palace Theater, curated by Andrea Arroyo.

Led Black (13:41)
Thanks.

Octavio Blanco (13:45)
flows

into April, right? What's the last, do you know when the deadline is for that? I think it's April 19th or something like that. But.

Led Black (13:49)
No, no, it's yeah some some yeah, me tell you exactly when but yes, it's running

for a bit.

Octavio Blanco (13:56)
It's running for a bit, definitely don't miss out on that. It's Andrea Arroyo curating a show of women's art in the Heights. So she's gathered, this is the 17th year that she's done this. She's gathered female artists from all over the Heights. It's a multi-generational, all different types of artists, whether they're established or just starting out. It's an exciting show. It's something that she does annually at Noma.

This year it's the theme is shade, but every year she does a women in the heights show and it's so so important and it's so important. Go ahead.

Led Black (14:26)
Yeah.

Yeah, you

were right. It runs to the April 24th. So yeah, so make sure you check that out. Gallery hours are on Saturdays, I think from like one to five, but make sure you check out nomoynyc.org to get the exact times. But again, what's great is that you can go there on a Saturday, know, go inside of a nice little gallery and, you know, just make sure some Saturdays they have other things happening.

But it's a great gallery right on 175th and Broadway. You can go right across the street and go to Malecón or Frota Lita and have a meal or talking tacos right around there. But make sure you check out, again, support our art. Our artists are art. We have such an artistic community of town, again, of people that are just starting their art careers and OGs that have been doing it, that really deserve their credit, that are making money, that are global artists. And sometimes it's a matter of just...

You know, going to things, talking to people, seeing what we have to offer, right? Because uptown has a lot to offer. So just make sure that people get out there. And I want to talk about something else when you're ready. I want to say something else.

Octavio Blanco (15:34)
Yeah, well, whenever you go, what do you want to talk about?

Led Black (15:35)
Okay,

I wanna say, so just again, I know I keep harping on this, but Mad Bills to Pay drops in theaters April 17th. So was less than a month away. I think it was my second favorite movie of 2025. Sinners was number one, but Mad Bills to Pay is by a visionary young Dominican director named Joel Afonso Vargas.

And he had, it's this amazing little film about a poor working class family in the Bronx. You know, the way the movie was done, will stay with you when you leave that theater. And you know, like, what's funny, I saw it last year in April at, I think it was the Lincoln Film Festival, was a film festival in Lincoln Center. And I went to see it.

And I went with Calixto Chinchilla, who's the director of the New York Latino Film Festival. And when I saw that film, I told him afterwards, this film has to be opening night for NILIF. It has to be. And again, Calixto also has other considerations. There's a lot of big films that want to be opening night, but it turned out that it was opening night, luckily. And then this year I found out, I worked for the New York Latino Film Festival, which is a festival, but it's also an agency, the NILIF agency, shout out to that.

And so we got the gig, let's say, to help support that film until it comes out. So, you for me, it's a full circle moment, you know, that a film that I fell in love with, right? I'm not doing this because if it's a check, I'm doing this because I really, really love this film. And it's funny, we did a small screening in the Bronx last Friday at the Andrew Freeman home, which is a historic home in the Bronx. Everyone should check it out. They're doing really cool art stuff there.

But it was a small screening, small intimate screening of content creators in the Bronx and uptown. Shout out to everyone that came out. But watching that film with this group of people, right, in this room, like in a theater, it was a special moment, like because I saw people there, like seeing themselves in a big screen when they never see themselves, right? You know, like some, it was interesting that a lot of stuff that for the first half of the movie, people are laughing at.

They weren't laughing because it was funny per se when there was a lot of funny moments. They were laughing because it was funny to see themselves on the screen. Oh, I know that mom. I know Rico, the main guy, the lead character, the lead male actor. Oh, I know Destiny, the lead female. Oh, I know the sister, right? And it's a powerhouse performance. 80 % of it is like improv, right? They basically got like a beat.

and then they went with it. know, like that kind of, this movie is really special and that's what I'm trying to say. So I want everyone to support it as much as you can. If you go to the Lincoln Bayou of the Uptown Collective, you can go buy tickets. So right now, we're only gonna be in two theaters right now. So right now it's gonna be, we have a limited run at Film Forum, you know, and Film Forum, by the way, for those that don't know, is like the third best independent theater.

if the country, if not the world, right? That's facts. You could look that up. And then we're also gonna be in the Regal Concourse in the Bronx. So right now it's a limited run.

Octavio Blanco (18:52)
When is the Regal Concourse?

Led Black (18:55)
So same time, April 17th, you can go there on sale right now, both for the Regal Concourse and Film Forum. So those tickets are on sale right now. And again, that's what I keep saying about if we don't support our art, who will? Like right now, you could spend your money. You could go and you could buy and support Dominican artists, Dominican actors, Dominican filmmakers, all that. And some of them are not Dominican, some of them, but support our art. Like this is a concrete example. to my, I'm not making money from each ticket sale, but.

It's about supporting our art, not like shitting on ourselves. I think sometimes when we come out with art, we tend to shit on it before we even see it or don't show love. Mad Bills to Pay is a movie everyone needs to show love to. I love this film. I'm keen to keep seeing it again because it's one of those films. And I think it's a film that's important. And it's a film about how Dominican people and people of color and black people and Latinos

struggle into what the real struggle is because I think a lot of times you don't see that. So, map bills to pay, April 17th, click, click and buy ASAP and buy your tickets. And then they'll say, I didn't know, whatever. Now you know, get on it. That's the film, right? Like that you have to see. And again, if it does well now, it'll do well throughout the country. We could take it everywhere else, but I think it's a movie we have to support. And I'm just, I'm so thrilled to be a part of such a great project.

that from the director to every single actor, they just young, hungry Dominican actors. That mom, Johanna, I think her name is, she is Florentina. You will recognize your aunt, your mom, your sister. All those actors brought it. And it's a mind blowing film made by young people of color, Like Afro Latinos in effect. You gotta see this movie, mad bills to pay, mad bills to pay, mad bills to pay.

Octavio Blanco (20:44)
Yes, sir. Thank you. And I can't wait to see it. I'm going to definitely going to buy tickets for for the April 17th showing. And I'm looking forward to I think the stars are coming through to to the heights, aren't they?

Led Black (20:56)
Yeah, we're doing a little screener, but I really can't make that public. But we're doing a screener soon this week, you know, in a very special place. So, but I just can't make that public. But yeah, we're to do a screener because it's about creating ambassadors, right, for this film. Right. Because a lot of times, like I said, like, you know, I'm going to be real honest. I was really upset with the way In The Heights was treated. Right. You know, they try to put all the sins of colorism on one film, which I think was dumb.

Octavio Blanco (21:00)
Okay.

Okay, okay, okay. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Led Black (21:26)
and we hurt ourselves in the end, right? You know, that was a big, like that movie should have been number one the week it came out. But what our own little, our own bullshit hurt us, right? So sometimes I think we can't hurt ourselves. So, you know, like, you know, that was to me, I still get mad about it, right? That movie should have been number one. And if it would have been number one, that would have been more like it, more to come. But sometimes we nitpick ourselves to death and we try to put all the sins of all of the last 500 years on the project. I think that was dumb.

and it hurt us, you know what mean? And I think we should not do that so much. think if you don't like something, then don't patronize it. But so much times, know, like a narrative starts by someone that's not really that smart, doesn't have your best intentions. And then that narrative is bigger than the actual story. And I think we need to really, really be focused on that. You know, we need to release that Latino shit. really need to put bones to it, right? We could be all Latinos this, but let's put bones to it. Let's show love to each other. Let's look out for one another, right?

If Venezuela wins, I'm happy for Venezuela in the world baseball classic, right? Like we gotta show that kind of love for each other because apparently we don't and we got this fucking tyrant in power because we couldn't look out for one another. So apparently solidarity helps. Who knew? My bad, go ahead Octavio.

Octavio Blanco (22:41)
Yeah,

no, know you're you're you're absolutely right. It's frustrating when we are expected to be so much. We're expected to be perfect. I mean, I didn't have anything to do within the heights, right? But Lynn, think he did. He did. He did a great, a great, ⁓ a great film, a great film. was a great musical.

Led Black (22:59)
Love the film.

Octavio Blanco (23:05)
Was it perfect? Maybe not, you know, but was it beautiful? Was it true? Yeah, I think that there was truth to it. Was it perfect that it show every single aspect of the culture? Exactly, exactly.

Led Black (23:19)
But that's impossible. You can't show, it's impossible. You know what I'm saying? If you

don't, you do your own version, right? Like what I'm saying, that movie, you know, again, from growing up in Washington Heights, right? Seeing that film.

You know, from, I was like, oh shit. You know what I mean? Like there's an OG right at the beginning from, from Dyckman, you know, like Mr. Dolly Doodles in the very beginning, you see him making Sadi Chong, you know, that's an OG from my neighborhood, a real dude. And then you see the tunnel when, when, when, when the Abuelita's passing by the tunnel. I never seen the tunnel look so good in my life. You know what I mean? Like it was a great movie. And because we want to apply things that, that, that didn't make sense.

It should have been number one and it wasn't number one because we did that to ourselves. You know what I'm like, that's whack.

Octavio Blanco (24:04)
And it made the Highbridge,

it made the Highbridge Pool famous, believe it or not. mean, they did a huge production and it was amazing that production from in the pool. you know, like you said, if you have an issue with it, fine, you're, you're totally encouraged to have issues with it, but don't just sit there unless you're a film critic.

Led Black (24:09)
That pool, yeah.

Octavio Blanco (24:27)
And even then you should have some some context around what you're saying. But if you have an issue with it, then do your own, you know, make your own that that shows your perspective that shows your your your view. And if we can do that, then more power to us. But if all you do is try to pull down the piece that's out there, guess what? You're not going to get your chance to make your piece because because the dollars and cents that are behind

Led Black (24:37)
I agree. I agree.

facts.

Octavio Blanco (24:56)
this are gonna say you know what these people don't appreciate their own stuff they'd rather watch the stuff that we produce right the stuff that that we come from with our from our perspective that's what they prefer so we'll keep doing that that's where the money is boom we'll keep feeding them that so yeah absolutely let I'm with you I think Matt bills to pay you got to watch it if you don't like it great if you love it great but if you don't like it don't go on on social media and start to criticize it

Led Black (25:03)
Yeah.

I mean,

listen, you can say whatever you want to say, but what I'm saying is like that kind of hate on each other, it's kind of dumb. you know, I'm not for censorship. I'm not for censorship. whatever the fuck you want. But I think like that kind of like, why are we always looking for every little thing to shit on something? you know, yeah, whatever.

Octavio Blanco (25:32)
But I was going to say, I was going to say, no, no, I'm not. Yeah.

I

was going to say, I was going to say, don't go on social media and start criticizing it without presenting something that you would like to see better. You know what mean? Like something that you've that you're creating. Yeah.

Led Black (25:51)
Yeah, but I don't, that sounds to me like censorship. Like people do what the fuck they want. But I'm just saying, I think that like

we need to really start thinking about that. Like how, why we always, we do that crabs in the barrel thing way too much. You know what mean? Oh, this person is that, this person, or they didn't have this, they didn't have this. Like shut the fuck up. I'm going to do what you want on social, but shut the fuck up at the same time. I know that may not make sense, I mean that too. Like I'm not for censorship, like, but shut the fuck up. You know what mean?

Octavio Blanco (26:11)
Hahaha!

Yeah,

yeah, I think what you I think about what you're saying, though, actually, is that more

Led Black (26:21)
So hold on, shout out to

my sister, Evelyn, OGEvelyn from 184 who just got on the live. So I gotta say shout out to my sister. But go ahead, go ahead, I'm sorry, Gav.

Octavio Blanco (26:27)
⁓ nice, nice, nice. Nice, hello, hello.

I was gonna say this. I was gonna say this. It's more like instead of, we're not for censorship for sure, but we are for, if you see somebody coming out of their neck, as they say, with some real BS, know, challenge it.

go on and have a conversation. Why do they say that? What's their thought? What's their thinking behind it? Who are they? You know what saying? what is their like, don't just let it sit there. That's what frustrates me. Sometimes people say stuff.

Led Black (26:47)
Yeah.

Yeah, I agree. Yeah, if you don't like it, you know

what saying? I'm not gonna, you wanna get on social, do what the fuck you want. But if you're not gonna like it, just, feel like sometimes people come predisposed to not like something. But anyway, fuck them, fuck the people talking shit. Spread love is the uptown way. I wanna say one more thing that I saw recently that I was blown away by. It's called Mexodus. It's a musical, I saw it at the Daryl Rolfe Theater in like East 15th Street.

Octavio Blanco (27:19)
Mmm.

Led Black (27:26)
You gotta check that out. As far as I know, there's like 79, like tickets starting at 79 still. So they still got some, I think it's headed to Broadway. It's a two man show, right? And look at, this is crazy. Like listen to the whole premise. Basically the premise is tells a story of how enslaved people in the South, instead of going taking the...

you know, the underground railroad north, they went south. So it tells the very real story of the thousands of black enslaved Americans who went south to Mexico and created a community in Mexico, right? So like what's interesting that they celebrate Juneteenth, they call it El Dia de los Negros, right? So it's like, so it's interesting because they came from, you know, early 1800s, right, to Mexico.

Octavio Blanco (27:50)
Underground Railroad.

Led Black (28:17)
and it tells a story of a black man fleeing oppression and going to Mexico and that story. But that's the premise, right? But when I first saw the advertisement for it, it was just like two guys on the stage. And I'm like, okay, what is this, right? But what makes it look crazy, it's live. So what I mean by that, like it's two guys on the stage and one guy, the guy fleeing slavery, right? He'll come and there's enough bright base there.

and he'll start tapping the bass, not playing the strings, just tapping the sides of it, making like a drum loop. And then it gets sampled as he's doing it. And then he'll strum some bass, and then it'll get sampled, right? And then he's rapping, singing, it's hip hop, it has like, Negro spirituals, it has Latino music. Like, Mexidus is that shit. Like, I'm not lying. Like, whatever it costs you, buy those tickets.

Octavio Blanco (29:08)
Yeah.

Led Black (29:12)
I got, I saw it and after me and my wife, I saw it my wife and I was like, yo, what was that? Like, it was so incredible. I haven't stopped talking. I saw it last week. My brother-in-law who was on earlier saw it yesterday. And you know, I called him as soon as we saw it, we assumed he came out to the theater and he called us yesterday after, as soon as he came out. And you know, you will be blown away. It is super, super dope. You know, I thought it was interesting because I thought it had like, you could see like Lin-Manuel's

influence a little bit, right, in terms of with the rapping, how they're using, they use rap to like take the plot out of this musical. But then they go really pro black, right? So they bring in ego spirituals. They bring in this whole deep cosmology that just, it's beautiful. It's perfect. It's, again, I gotta see it again. We already bought tickets to take the family. So I'm going again with the wife and the girls, my three daughters, early April. So please do yourself a favor.

Check out Mexidus. I heard Len already went to see it. He gave it a rave review. Mexidus, check that out.

Octavio Blanco (30:12)
Yeah

Yeah,

and you know, shout out to all my, to my people out there, my Blaxican people. Shout out to Send Dog from Cypress Hill. He's a friend of the family, from what I understand.

Led Black (30:26)
He's Cuban though.

He's Cuban. I thought he was Cuban.

Octavio Blanco (30:28)
Yeah,

but he's very into the, he might be Cuban Mexican and he's very into that Blaxican movement out in California, which is great. I think he may be Cuban, but he's from.

Led Black (30:43)
from LA. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You're Mexican by default. Yeah.

Octavio Blanco (30:43)
East LA, California. there's a lot of

Mexican by default. But yeah, you know, there's a lot of different, you know, people from from Los Angeles that are that are, you know, they're Hondurans and there's there's Cubans and

Led Black (30:58)
You know what's funny? You know what's funny?

That send dog, you mentioned send dog. You know who his brother is?

Octavio Blanco (31:06)
No, who's his brother?

Led Black (31:07)
His brother is Mellow Man Ace who had that song, Mentirosa. A of people don't know that. That's his actual brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's his brother. Yeah, yeah. He got one song. I don't know, love is kind of a big word for Mellow Man Ace. I think he had one record. That one record, like.

Octavio Blanco (31:10)
Uhhhh

I didn't know that. I love Mellow Manes. My cousin, no, I loved him. I remember him.

I remember him from when I was a teenager. And so I have love for Mellow Manes within his one record. I do. I don't know. I think if his song comes on, I'm not turning it. So like, what can I say?

Led Black (31:29)
I have love, but I don't love Melo mayonnaise. ⁓

that's true. That's fair. That's fair. That's valid.

Octavio Blanco (31:43)
his song ever comes on. Where would I hear it?

Led Black (31:44)
that one time every five years.

Octavio Blanco (31:48)
Let me keep going. I know we got a lot to talk about, you know, we've limited time, but I wanted to say this. Our good friend, Fego, Fegorama, he's got a show. He's got a show at, yeah, he's got a show at Love. His show name is ⁓ Peace, Love, and Humor, and it's at the 42nd Street subway station at the AC and E Mezzanine.

Led Black (31:57)
Mm-hmm. What? Shout out to Faygo.

yeah, I did see that. I did see it. I did see it.

Octavio Blanco (32:13)
It's El Tallier storefront gallery.

That's at the AC &E Mezzanine at the 42nd Street subway station. So if you're walking by there, that's Fego. That's our boy. That's our friend. He also did a very, very interesting interview with us. He ⁓ was one of the artists that was censored when the Trump administration decided to take down the Smithsonian Latino art exhibit that they had there. And I'm glad to see

Led Black (32:16)
I did see that on social.

Yeah.

Octavio Blanco (32:45)
that he's you know showing his art where the people can see it you know i mean that's so important it's not at some fancy schmancy gallery you don't have to travel down to to washington to see it it's on your commute you know give yourself an extra 10 minutes so you can slow down when you walk by the the on the mezzanine of the acne and check out what he's got going on there you know that's that's that's take a picture

Led Black (33:06)
For real, and take a picture and tag Fango and tag up Ton Collective and

you know what saying? We're gonna repost it. That's how we do it.

Octavio Blanco (33:12)
Exactly,

that's how we do.

Before we move on to something that I wanted to talk about, we just talked about Lin. I think we should talk about his dad a little bit. His dad announcing this week that he stepped down from his Miram group to focus on the arts. That's a big deal because Miram is a very powerful lobbying group that he leads.

Luis Miranda is very powerful in politics, but he's stepping down from that. He's gonna be focusing more on the arts, sort of like seeing what his son has done in the arts and trying to pump his special brand of magic into the arts. Like one thing that he knows how to do.

Led Black (33:57)
I

wouldn't characterize it like that though. Like I think Luis is really like, well, I'm saying like, don't think it's Luis. Luis has always been like, Luis has always been about the arts. You know what I mean? And like, and what I'm saying.

Octavio Blanco (34:02)
What do mean?

No, yeah, yeah, but he said that he's

gonna be focusing on the arts.

Led Black (34:14)
no, so what I'm saying is like, he's not taking a page from Lin. Like I think like Luis has been about the arts forever, right? Like, know, Nomad was started by Luis, right? You know, I think his love, his love of Lin's love of the arts comes from Luis, I think, right? Like we gotta give Luis a special, you know.

Octavio Blanco (34:23)
Yeah, yeah, but.

Let's call it

a symbiotic relationship because you're right, Lynn's love of the arts comes from Luis's love of the arts, which obviously, and also support of the arts locally, right, through Noma and other initiatives. But I think that because of the success that Lynn has had in the arts, right, because of that success, it's given Luis an opportunity to

Led Black (34:44)
Hmm?

Mm-hmm.

Octavio Blanco (34:59)
Look even beyond local arts.

Led Black (35:00)
But what I'm saying is

just because I know the situation, I think in my mind a little better, think that Luis has always been part of everything that Lin has done. He's always been like, know, of course Lin does all the creative stuff, I'm saying like, is always, what I'm saying, Luis is always like the powerful.

Octavio Blanco (35:13)
Of course.

Led Black (35:22)
mastermind behind everything. Like he's so, he's such an institution builder, right? Like he's just, and he does everything, right? So, when I spoke to him like not too long ago, he was taking, when I was at the social club to Mexico, he was a big part of when I was at the social club being, so I'm saying he produced that. What I'm saying is like, he's been so involved with the arts, it's just now he's just focusing on that. I don't think he's taking a page from Lynn. Like I think that like,

Octavio Blanco (35:25)
Hahaha!

Yes, he is.

Yes, he was.

Well,

well, well, I think.

Led Black (35:50)
His primacy is even,

you know, that's one of way I look at it. Like, Luis has always been about the arts. He's just gonna focus on it more. And I he never stopped focusing on the arts, because he's a big part of the arts of town.

Octavio Blanco (35:54)
I don't know.

But I think we're both right, but I do think that what we're gonna see is Lynn focusing on the arts on a national level.

after Buena Vista, right? Buena Vista was his first like real foray into like beyond what he was doing with his son Lin into making something on the international and taking the arts, especially Latino arts, more on a national and international level. Anyway, whatever the truth is, whatever the truth is, I'm excited to see.

Led Black (36:30)
I mean, know, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause I'm saying like, cause then you look at his film, see,

hold on, let me just say something. Let me just say something. Like I just, again, I just think it, not, he really has, again, art has been a thing forever, right? So for the movie, when they did his movie, he took an art exhibit all around the country that Distur, Danny Paghetto, local artists were involved in. Like, so I'm just saying, I don't think of it as, I'm an old, I'm gonna do this. I'm just saying he's so, he's just, I'm gonna focus.

solely on this, but there's always been a real heavy focus on arts, in my opinion, you know, the way I see it.

Octavio Blanco (37:05)
No, absolutely,

you're right. You're right. There has always been a strong focus on arts, but now that's what he says he's gonna be focused on, like, exclusively. And so anyway.

Led Black (37:16)
Yeah, I agree.

Octavio Blanco (37:18)
that's just to say that was an interview in the magazine called City and State, where they broke that news. You should check it out on City and State. It's a really cool. It's a really interesting magazine. It's online. Check out City and State. It talks a lot about what's going on, obviously, in the city politics and state politics. And being that Luis is such a big mover in city, state and national politics, they broke the

story so check it out.

You know, we haven't really talked about some of the challenges that our community has seen lately with the...

the sad story of Cesar Chavez having sexually assaulted Dolores Huerta. And I think it's important that we take a moment to say that we stand with Dolores and that we, you know, that we sort of.

I guess take a moment to think about what this means.

Cesar Chavez has been somebody who I have looked up to for my whole life as a community leader, And it really crushed me to hear that he had abused not just Dolores, who is an incredible

community activist, but so many other young women in his group. And I just thought it was important that we stop what we're doing for a minute and just say that we stand behind and we stand with Dolores and the other victims.

And also compare it to compare their reaction from our community with the reaction that we've seen to what's happened with Epstein, you know?

Led Black (39:07)
Yeah, listen, I think we're living in the great unveiling and Cesar Chavez was a bad person, right? In so many ways, right? He referred to Mexicans that were not undocumented. He referred to them as webbacks. you know, this ⁓ has been, you know, again, I think it's better to know who these people are now.

Right, and it's like, and I heard like in LA, there's like murals, there's street names that are just being covered up. But he was a monster and, you know, this is the time of that, of things being revealed, right? We're finding out that so much of the things that we venerate.

are bullshit and false and evil and vile. And I think that's, don't look at it as a bad thing because I think it's time for these things to reveal themselves. I stand with Dolores forever. She's amazing. She took a lot of abuse and she kept it in for the sake of the movement. And I understand that too. But having idols that are false, that needs to go away.

All of all the like right now we're in a time where where this democracy is at stake right? We need to take shit seriously. If Cesar Chavez was a bad person, let's call it out for what it is and what and that goes for all the politicians, right? If you vote in a certain way, if you not, if you stay with with APAC, you have, there's a, there's going to be a price to have to be paid.

And I think that's good. It's good that the truth is revealed. And Dolores, yes, I'll stand with her forever, but Cesar Chavez needed to be exposed for what he was. And no more making these saints of people that don't deserve it.

Octavio Blanco (40:42)
That's right. That's right. And he certainly didn't deserve it. And I'm very proud of the community and the way that they're responding. There's still so many unanswered questions as to how do we move forward with this. But one thing that I am so, so happy about is that we as a community believe women. ⁓ And we...

Led Black (41:04)
I mean, I don't know about all that. I

don't know if we, it's a community, believe women either. I mean, that's a, that's a big statement you just said. but in this case, I think it's good. Right. I don't know if we as a community. Yeah.

Octavio Blanco (41:14)
Well, in this case, I mean, in

this case, what I've seen, the reaction that I've seen from the community has been one of believing women. Maybe, maybe you're right. Maybe it's just that in this particular case is so, you know, magnanimous, right? It's this woman Dolores Huerta is such a cherished

Led Black (41:26)
this particular case, mean, but yeah.

Octavio Blanco (41:39)
person in our lives who we love and respect, you know, it be, you know, it's, maybe you're right. Maybe it's that in this case, there was no other option but to.

Led Black (41:49)
Yeah, mean, yeah, I don't think

Latinos are like, we're like so fucking progressive that we always believe women. just, this case is one particular case, you know? But I mean, the thing is, what this speaks to me is a lesson in leadership, right? That we need to expect more from our leaders, right? We need to really start thinking about what it means that I vote for you or I put you to lead a movement and you have to be, you have to be morally right. Like when you're not,

is gonna show when it's just B &B for ambition or for power or for influence. We can't have that anymore. We've had that for too long. And look where we're at. We're in the brink of third World War. mean, you can argue that it's already started because of leadership. We have a fucking baboso in power. Again, I would say this. Think about the most powerful man on the planet living right now is Donald Trump.

The most powerful man on the planet living right now is Donald Trump. That should scare the shit out of you. Donald Trump, an evil, demented fucking megalomaniac, right? That should have never gone to this war. Never, never. Every war game that the military's ever done with Iran never ends well, right? And he's falling into the escalation trap and everything he does makes it worse.

Octavio Blanco (42:46)
You

Well, it's been scared me.

Led Black (43:13)
Right? I've been watching, right now New York gas is cheaper than Jersey. My day jobs in Jersey. I've been watching one particular, you know, whatever gas station. They were at 2.99, two and a half weeks ago. Last time on Check Friday was 2.67, that's 70 cents up. So it goes back to leadership. And again, this game that we always, but he's employed. but she's, if they're crooked and corrupt and they're getting paid.

That's another thing that I started to realize that, you know, so much of what we call our leaders are bought and paid for by someone else, right? So that's why we really got to take this shit seriously. Like every single position in local government needs to be scrutinized. Are you for the people or are you not? You know, and I think that's why people talk shit. That's why I love Zoran, right? Like Zoran is progressive to his core. He's not perfect. No one's perfect. But so far,

You know what mean? That's what it's supposed to be. And I think we need that up and down the line, from the lowest elected official to the highest. And I think we need to start exacting standards.

Octavio Blanco (44:19)
Mm-hmm. Our standards are way, way, way down. And I think for a lot of time, you know, we've been sleepwalking through this. And I think that the time for sleepwalking through our lives is over. And yes, we have to, you know, hold people accountable. We do have to hold...

folks accountable for what they stand for. hopefully this is the beginning of it. Hopefully this is the beginning of it.

Led Black (44:48)
You know, it's funny yesterday, you you text me and you said, you asked me about the Overton window, right? And, you know, and it's interesting because I don't think a lot of people know what the Overton window, but it's been, you know, it's one of these things, these phrases that I've been hearing for the last few years is basically what the range of ideas that are tolerated like in public discourse, right? And, you know, the Overton window can be dragged either way and, you know,

Octavio Blanco (44:55)
Yeah. Do people know what the Overton window is,

Yes.

Led Black (45:17)
Like the right has taken the Overton window all the way to one side. And the things you could say like, you know, are crazy now. But now I think with a certain topic, I think the Overton window has shifted for the state of Israel. You know, I think the state of Israel is more unpopular than ever. I think that our support or American support for it,

Octavio Blanco (45:34)
Yeah.

Led Black (45:44)
at certain levels of government that don't make sense is gonna be questioned now. And I think so, you know, is that what you were trying to tell me when you text me?

Octavio Blanco (45:50)
⁓

I was trying to say, I think that one of the big things that I felt is that we have to be able to call it like it is and then not be immediately painted with the brush of anti-Semitism.

And I feel that we're in a time now that we can safely say that Israel is conducting a genocide in Palestine. We have eyes. We're able to see that. I think it's a time now that we can safely say that Israel is an apartheid state. They don't, it just is. And.

it's starting to see something that we've talked about is that there's this idea of Israel trying to achieve greater Israel, which is growing outside of its borders and growing into some of its neighbors' borders. And we should be able to say that that's messed up, that that's wrong, especially that the way they're going about it.

clearly with this war in Iran as well, is ⁓ not in our interest in the United States without being tarnished by the word of being anti-Semitism, which I am not, you are not.

Led Black (47:07)
Yep.

But you know what's funny you say that, but you know what's ⁓

Right, you know what mean? Like you're like part Jewish, like get out of here, right? That makes no sense. But you know what I was thinking about as you were speaking about this right now, the concept of the Overton window in a sense, like we have a reality in a sense where we have two Overton windows, right? We have the mainstream Overton window that's still stuck in the old world, right? So when you turn on,

Octavio Blanco (47:21)
Yeah.

Led Black (47:42)
Even MSNOW, Rachel Maddow, progressive, you're still getting lied to. They're still treating Israel like it's a good country for the world. The problem is Iran, the problem is Russia. Instead of saying the problem is Israel. So that's what you have there, but on social media, for the rest of the world, people have seen it. They've seen a live stream genocide. They've seen the babies getting killed. You don't have to...

I think that the genocide in Gaza has woken people up more than anything, right?

Octavio Blanco (48:14)
We've

seen the videos that the IDF has posted themselves.

Led Black (48:18)
their own social, right? There was a story in Haaretz where it just came out like recently where a commander, he has like these like young troops behind him and he's out in Gaza somewhere and he sees a four year old little boy and he breaks his knee and his arm and the recruits are like, and he's like, listen, these are not people. You have to treat them this way.

We saw that on camera. We saw, not that particular incident. Another example is like this video of a Palestinian prisoner being gang raped by a bunch of soldiers, right? And there were riots in Israel on behalf of the soldiers. They shouldn't be tried for raping someone on tape. There's one, all of them, I think there was five of them. Four of them remain masked so no one knows really.

One guy is like a superstar in Israel and he participated in a brutal raping where the guy's insides had to be reconstructed. And we accept that. Like that's what I'm saying. So there's two Overton windows, right? And...

Octavio Blanco (49:27)
But just to be

clear, I just want to say one thing, just to be clear. mean, there is maybe a small percentage of people in Israel who are very much against this and very much against, yeah.

Led Black (49:40)
Very small percentage, very small percentage, right?

The majority of Israeli society is for this and for killing, they're for the ethnic cleansing. Like, let's be honest. It's a small majority, small minority. Yeah.

Octavio Blanco (49:53)
Small minority, yeah.

But it exists. yeah. Now it's...

Led Black (49:58)
I mean, but I don't even know what's

the point. Yes, but it's right like so.

Octavio Blanco (50:01)
Yeah,

yeah, I know, I know, I know. It's just...

Led Black (50:05)
You know what I Same thing with Cuba.

Like right now, like a Latin American country, a small island is being starved to death by the United States. A medieval siege is happening, right? And if you turn on MSNOW, CNN, they're not really talking. They're like, they almost make it seem like, hey, they ran out of oil. What happened? my, no, they're, they're, then stopping. Like that's what I'm saying. Like that's fucked up, right? And it's like, and I guess like what I'm trying to say is that

Octavio Blanco (50:25)
You

Led Black (50:34)
Because we allowed the live stream genocide, the gloves are off. And these people are really just taking, like, I said this before in the past, because if you look back, I said this when Trump came to power, America's gonna go full Israel now, right? We're building ice, you know, mega, like, you know, ice war, Walmarts, right? Basically taking these huge seven foot field long detention centers for regular people. There's not enough.

undocumented immigrants for that. You know what mean? They're planning more things. And again, I think the thing about Cesar Chavez, like we need to let go of what doesn't serve us. You know what I mean? We need new narratives. We need new leaders. We need new ideas, because this society and this democracy is in collapse and only we can save it. So we need something else.

Octavio Blanco (51:23)
Yes, sir. What can I say? You know, it's a sad state of affairs that we're living in, but we can't stay quiet. And that's what we're trying to do here. We're trying to ally ourselves with our friends, with our neighbors, and try to bring important ideas out, try to make sure that our community is informed as best as it can be.

And, you know, bring our perspective from your perspective, led my perspective into into the conversation. And, you know, it's a it's a work in progress, right?

Led Black (51:57)
Exactly. ⁓ I don't look, man, like, I always got to kind of watch my words, right? But in my mind, you know, as this was always going to happen, right? This collapse was always, always been coming. You know what mean? Trump has just accelerated.

But I don't look at it as a bad or a good thing. I look at it as it is what it is. Right. And I mean, as a person that has African descent, native descent, right. We've been through apocalypse before. We'll get through this one, too. You know what saying? But I just think we need to be very clear out of what's happening. you know, white supremacy is coming to an end. And that's a good thing for the planet. Right. And that doesn't mean you hate white people. I don't hate white people.

Right? It's not about that. But for too long, Europe has dominated the whole world and it's not proportional. It's not right. So if you're not going to be a good leader again, back to leadership, if you're not going to be a good ruler of the realm, then you need to be taken over by somebody else and let us deal with it. And I think that's what's happening. It's the natural order is being established again. And some things fall by the wayside at times.

Octavio Blanco (53:02)
Yeah, know,

what I've always, what I was always felt is that the, you know, the time for white supremacy is ending. And what happens when a...

rabbit animal is cornered, right? What happens when a rabbit animal, when an animal is being, is nearing its death? That's when it's most dangerous, right? That's when it tries by all of its might to bite you and kill you before you can kill it. When an animal is cornered, that's its most dangerous time.

Led Black (53:28)
Mm-hmm.

Octavio Blanco (53:38)
I've always said that, but I never sort of visualized how it might come about. I thought that just Trump being in power might be it, but that's not it. It's what we're seeing happening now here and across the globe. It's this terrible war that is on the verge of becoming really a global war that... ⁓

Led Black (53:44)
Hmm?

It is a global war. It's a

global war already, right? Yeah, you're 100 % right. You're 100 % right.

Octavio Blanco (54:02)
Yeah

So I hate to leave things on a negative, but we've also shared with everybody in the show today so many amazing things that are happening in the neighborhood, so many amazing things that you can be a part of to make sure that we're building community here. Because this community uptown is like mixed community. It's many different kinds of communities. But we want to make sure that those communities are all

locally, like participating with each other, building with each other, helping each other grow. And I hope that we can be a part of introducing a time of abundance, even though it feels like we're headed towards this real time of despair. I don't have the answer.

Led Black (54:52)
Yeah, none of us has answers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, yeah. Yeah, I mean, can't, no one has the answers, right? Like no one has answers for some of this, but community is one of the answers for this, to keep showing love to one another, keep showing up for one another, right? Solidarity is one of the answers. Like no one knows where this is going, right? But I remember in that piece that was published in ⁓ the book that Robert Snider was anthology, I said that this country cannot withstand a second Trump term.

Octavio Blanco (54:52)
to how that's going to be done. But I can say that we can try.

Led Black (55:22)
and it's happening. And we did this to ourselves, it's also things, liberation is at hand. What I'm saying is like, I don't look at this as a bad thing. Liberation is at hand, right? The suffering of our ancestors has to be paid for. I'm sorry, that's the way it works, right? We've been subjugated far too long, liberation is at hand. I don't look at the fall of this system as a bad thing. It'll be painful, but ultimately what comes better, like that's why.

leadership is super important. Who leads is super important. And that's why I think all these things really are the setup for something much better, right? think when people realize what we can lose, people will wake up and we can change things. But you gotta go through that first.

Octavio Blanco (56:05)
As long

as our awakening is civic-minded, think we still can have that. We can still have this change democratically. We need to try that. We can't just give up on our democracy, because I see a lot ⁓ of people are really pissed. And a lot of people are like,

Led Black (56:23)
Yep, I agree.

Octavio Blanco (56:28)
doing awful things to each other. And I think that that's just not gonna ever be helpful to help us, to make us a better society. The only way we can be a better society is to continue to focus on our civics. And unfortunately, that's not a focus that we've had as a people, as a culture.

Led Black (56:31)
Mm-hmm.

Agreed.

that's what I'm saying. That's why I think the time and place is ripe for that. To look at where we at because of the lack of leadership. Look at that. Let's take this democracy, let's take this civics, let's take this community, let's take solidarity, like really seriously. Let's stop using words and create the, let's create the world we wanna see because this world ain't it. This isn't just Trump's fault.

You know, this is Biden's fault. This is Obama's fault, Clinton's fault, Bush's fault. The whole machine is fucked up. And we, in order to get it, we need to excise a lot of people, Republican and Democrat. Like, that's not a lie. And again, it's like, we need to be really clear. So all these things, that's what saying. I love the clarity of the moment. I love to know where I stand. And yes, it is scary and it's perilous.

but this is better, this is where we're headed. know what mean? So with that, spread love is the uptown way. Make sure you show love to the podcast. Subscribe to our channel, tell your people about it. And we'll see you again. We drop a new episode on Tuesday and next Sunday we'll do another live. Maybe not next Sunday, cause I'm gonna be away, but we got an episode dropping on Tuesday. Spread love is the uptown way. Let Black Octavio Blanco, go ahead.

Octavio Blanco (57:59)
No, yeah, you're going to be, yeah.

I'm not

No, I was just gonna say spread love, unless you wanna be live from wherever you're gonna be next Sunday. But we'll play that by ear, we'll see. All right, let it's always a pleasure. I'm always happy to spend this time with you.

Led Black (58:11)
Maybe we'll do that. Maybe we'll see. All right. Likewise, brother. ⁓ and you know, by the way, I just

saw that Elisa got on, so shout out to her. She's running for, against our Congressman Espaillat. So shout out to her for getting on.

Octavio Blanco (58:27)
All right, peace.